Is Israel A Reality?
Naim Naqvi of India says, in the opinion columns of Indian Express that, after all, Israel is a reality Iran should not waste its efforts.
By: Naim Naqvi | 22-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward
That Israel is a new political and geographical reality, whether the Islamic world like it or not. This nation took birth at the crack of history. Iran and the Arab world have no choice today but to accept this fact. By dint of the backing of the West and the yeoman's efforts of Jews this nation has emerged as a world power.
Accepting Israel is not bad like enjoying the rape when it is inevitable. Muslims and Jews, both the county cousins should learn to live together in peace and harmony. They should do a SWOT analysis of themselves and try to make the best of the situation.
Too much blood has already been shed and for no avail. Iran's rhetoric is not taking it anywhere and Arabs are no more that enthusiastic to fight for Palestinians cause if did ever exist. Iran is a country of oldest civilization, rich culture and great history. Discretion on its part should be the better part of valor. Iran is a world power to reckon with and it should not waste its time in dying for lobster sauce. What Arab can't do Iran can't do any better.
Naim Naqvi wrote another piece on the same expressing his sympathy towards the Palestinians as follows:
I feel sorry for Palestinians
By: Naim Naqvi | 23-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward
I have been in the middle east for the major part of life. I know the strengths, weaknesses, predilections, prejudices and and idiosyncrasies of Arabs. Being a resident of Bombay I have had many Jewish friends who migrated to Israel.
I know many Iranians very closely. During my stay in West I had very considerate and
affectionate teachers who helped me in my life. My statement was based on hard facts, ground realities and study of history. I know Palestinians didn't deserve what they got. But, but what can they do now? Violence had brought nothing but miseries and retributions.
Our Muslim brothers in Arab world did nothing for them except some lip service and Khayrat. The Palestinian community didn't rise like Phoenix, like Jews or like any living nation. They were contended in their cocoons and accepted the role of helpless victims. Except few stray doctors and engineers there was no out-put from them. So, beggars can't be choosers. Life is like that ! It is too harsh and
snide but it is a fact of our life.
Pamameen gave him a reply to Naim Naqvi as follows in three separate
dispatches.
No National liberation Movement will be defeated
By: pamameen | 23-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward
Reply to Naim naqvi: part 2.Mr Naqvi,
your entire analysis and assertion is based on the acknowledgement of the concept of might is right. It is a pathetically defeatist attitude from someone like you, who are culturally, at least, partially associated with the struggle of Palestinian people.
Oslo accord was the proof of what you say: the Palestinians acknowledge the legality, legitimacy reality and existence of Israel as a nation and accepting two-nation solution based on borders existing before the 1967 war.
But the Palestinian borders have shrunk from 49.2% given by the UNO in 1948 to less than 10%.
How would people like you explain Israel incapacitating even the agreed two-state solution?
You say the cousins( the Arabs and Jews: I fully agree) And, so why not the cousins annihilate the idea of Jewish supremacy and go for a one state fully democratic nation where all will have equal rights. Please read “PEACE NOW” of Israel which a few weeks ago reported that the Israeli Ministry of Construction and Housing, is planning to construct 73,300 housing Units in the West bank thus doubling the
colonizer-settler population. So would you say that Israel is after all a world power and the Palestinians yield to them, accept construction of more settlements, do not resist, stop your liberation struggle, and after all history has far too many episodes of conquests of superior nations on weaker nations.?
The Palestinians may not succeed in liberating their nation during the life time of Naqvi or the present writer, but Wallahi, they will succeed one day.
A Palestinian couplet says that more forcefully “ LET NONE BE WITH US PROUD AND OVERBEARING FOR, WE CAN BE AS BRAVE AS STUPID”
I agree, we can forget about Arabs coming to the help of Palestinians, but the non-Arab Muslim world is forcefully reawakening and be reckoned with fear by Israel.
Did Richard the lion and the Crusaders succeed in holding on to their conquest of Jerusalem? No after all, the Palestinians waited for 140 years for a Sallahuddin Ayubi be born to liberate their lands from the European hordes.
Try to kill your defeatist attitude Mr Naqvi and stop marketing your pro-Israeli stand and in the process weakening the enthusiasm and spirit of Muslims in general and Indian Muslims in particular.
Brother Naqvi, you may if you happen to live then, may write the same words, after Israel has achieved its secret goal of occupying all the land according to their Biblical Prophesy( a huge lie and a myth repeated out of political expediency) between Nile and Euphrates and after Israel has up rooted the entire 10 million people of Palestine in order to create a Zionist Racist Empire meant for the
world Jewry ( the total population is around 12 million) and eventually enslave the entire Middle East.
Who denies Jihad as mentioned in the Quran under these circumstances?
Who denies the fact that “Fight against them as they fight against
you”,
Who denies the fact that.“Persecution is worse than killing; chase them out from the places from where they chased you out”.
Who denies the fact that, this world is transitory and the hereafter is eternal.
Who denies the fact that we should not call a martyr as dead, the martyr lives and is looked after?
Do not yield to bullies Mr. Naqvi. Non-violence is an excellent principle, no doubt, but it can never be an acceptable article of faith under ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, if that is so, one will allow his tolerance to reach the level of cowardice-ness. It is better to die for a righteous cause rather than dying as a coward.
Pam Ameen.
Read On......
By: Naim Naqvi | 22-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward
That Israel is a new political and geographical reality, whether the Islamic world like it or not. This nation took birth at the crack of history. Iran and the Arab world have no choice today but to accept this fact. By dint of the backing of the West and the yeoman's efforts of Jews this nation has emerged as a world power.
Accepting Israel is not bad like enjoying the rape when it is inevitable. Muslims and Jews, both the county cousins should learn to live together in peace and harmony. They should do a SWOT analysis of themselves and try to make the best of the situation.
Too much blood has already been shed and for no avail. Iran's rhetoric is not taking it anywhere and Arabs are no more that enthusiastic to fight for Palestinians cause if did ever exist. Iran is a country of oldest civilization, rich culture and great history. Discretion on its part should be the better part of valor. Iran is a world power to reckon with and it should not waste its time in dying for lobster sauce. What Arab can't do Iran can't do any better.
Naim Naqvi wrote another piece on the same expressing his sympathy towards the Palestinians as follows:
I feel sorry for Palestinians
By: Naim Naqvi | 23-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward
I have been in the middle east for the major part of life. I know the strengths, weaknesses, predilections, prejudices and and idiosyncrasies of Arabs. Being a resident of Bombay I have had many Jewish friends who migrated to Israel.
I know many Iranians very closely. During my stay in West I had very considerate and
affectionate teachers who helped me in my life. My statement was based on hard facts, ground realities and study of history. I know Palestinians didn't deserve what they got. But, but what can they do now? Violence had brought nothing but miseries and retributions.
Our Muslim brothers in Arab world did nothing for them except some lip service and Khayrat. The Palestinian community didn't rise like Phoenix, like Jews or like any living nation. They were contended in their cocoons and accepted the role of helpless victims. Except few stray doctors and engineers there was no out-put from them. So, beggars can't be choosers. Life is like that ! It is too harsh and
snide but it is a fact of our life.
Pamameen gave him a reply to Naim Naqvi as follows in three separate
dispatches.
No National liberation Movement will be defeated
By: pamameen | 23-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward
Reply to Naim naqvi: part 2.Mr Naqvi,
your entire analysis and assertion is based on the acknowledgement of the concept of might is right. It is a pathetically defeatist attitude from someone like you, who are culturally, at least, partially associated with the struggle of Palestinian people.
Oslo accord was the proof of what you say: the Palestinians acknowledge the legality, legitimacy reality and existence of Israel as a nation and accepting two-nation solution based on borders existing before the 1967 war.
But the Palestinian borders have shrunk from 49.2% given by the UNO in 1948 to less than 10%.
How would people like you explain Israel incapacitating even the agreed two-state solution?
You say the cousins( the Arabs and Jews: I fully agree) And, so why not the cousins annihilate the idea of Jewish supremacy and go for a one state fully democratic nation where all will have equal rights. Please read “PEACE NOW” of Israel which a few weeks ago reported that the Israeli Ministry of Construction and Housing, is planning to construct 73,300 housing Units in the West bank thus doubling the
colonizer-settler population. So would you say that Israel is after all a world power and the Palestinians yield to them, accept construction of more settlements, do not resist, stop your liberation struggle, and after all history has far too many episodes of conquests of superior nations on weaker nations.?
The Palestinians may not succeed in liberating their nation during the life time of Naqvi or the present writer, but Wallahi, they will succeed one day.
A Palestinian couplet says that more forcefully “ LET NONE BE WITH US PROUD AND OVERBEARING FOR, WE CAN BE AS BRAVE AS STUPID”
I agree, we can forget about Arabs coming to the help of Palestinians, but the non-Arab Muslim world is forcefully reawakening and be reckoned with fear by Israel.
Did Richard the lion and the Crusaders succeed in holding on to their conquest of Jerusalem? No after all, the Palestinians waited for 140 years for a Sallahuddin Ayubi be born to liberate their lands from the European hordes.
Try to kill your defeatist attitude Mr Naqvi and stop marketing your pro-Israeli stand and in the process weakening the enthusiasm and spirit of Muslims in general and Indian Muslims in particular.
Brother Naqvi, you may if you happen to live then, may write the same words, after Israel has achieved its secret goal of occupying all the land according to their Biblical Prophesy( a huge lie and a myth repeated out of political expediency) between Nile and Euphrates and after Israel has up rooted the entire 10 million people of Palestine in order to create a Zionist Racist Empire meant for the
world Jewry ( the total population is around 12 million) and eventually enslave the entire Middle East.
Who denies Jihad as mentioned in the Quran under these circumstances?
Who denies the fact that “Fight against them as they fight against
you”,
Who denies the fact that.“Persecution is worse than killing; chase them out from the places from where they chased you out”.
Who denies the fact that, this world is transitory and the hereafter is eternal.
Who denies the fact that we should not call a martyr as dead, the martyr lives and is looked after?
Do not yield to bullies Mr. Naqvi. Non-violence is an excellent principle, no doubt, but it can never be an acceptable article of faith under ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, if that is so, one will allow his tolerance to reach the level of cowardice-ness. It is better to die for a righteous cause rather than dying as a coward.
Pam Ameen.
